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My memory, which is sometimes reliable tells me that Dallin Oaks once spoke about the Middle Ages as a time when men relied on faith and that since the Renaissance and the Enlightenment society has been going downhill. Does anyone else recall this, and know where it might be found?

I see posts online of people talking about how God 'called' the Founding Fathers to set up the USA. I occasionally reply: "Do you realize that men that you believe were called by God, namely Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, Madison and many others were deists. Ask yourself, why did God call deists ...

I have had success discussing my critical views of the LDS church using this perspective- I could be wrong. I explain that I honestly believe that there is a possibility that the Church could be true. Yes, I honestly believe, with my understanding of the limitations of the human mind that that is a ...

Growing up in Rexburg, I was indoctrinated into a essentially mono-cultural society- 95% LDS. On my mission I was exposed to a poly-cultural society in southern California. The current society in the USA seems to be largely bi-cultural, and even worse, the extremes of each culture are getting the ...

Interesting. Those three bodies (FP, Q12, Q70) should each get one vote. No, the RS presidency and primary and YW presidency all need one vote also. That way, women have equal say to all the men in the church. And if there are any disagreements, then that group’s vote is just canceled. Because I am ...

alas wrote: "So, anyway, second thought with this definition of two kinds of morality is it explains SO much about religion. Jesus was a horizontal morality kind of guy in a vertical morality kind of religion. So, the vertical morality leaders got rid of the rabble rouser. And people really like the ...

Here's my 2 cents: Pres. Oaks suspects he may die soon, like within a year. If he makes himself president with new councilors and dies within a year it implies that God had to take him out, for whatever reason. Also Holland and Eyring are in the same boat. What would inquiring minds think if 2-4 ...

wtfluff wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 11:43 am

Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 11:12 am...1 what philosophical or theological innovations did he introduce?

He let us know that Hinckley and Monson both spent millions, if not billions of dollars advertising for Satan™

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This.

I just watched the Steven Miller "the president has plenary authority" gaffe on youtube. I had to look up plenary authority, which means unlimited authority. A lot of people are concerned about a president and cabinet which may be be discussing that concept as realistic. I am certain that trump does ...

Pres. Nelson came across, to me anyway, an insecure dude who was looking for a way to stand out. So he made the big deal about temples.
I'm not sure what Oaks thing will be. But we know he HATES criticism.

Has any speaker mentioned Charlie Kirk specifically yet? I'm just wondering if they are leary of mentioning a different religious figure.

I saw that Rand Paul objected to trump blasting random suspicious boats in the Caribbean, but no republican yet has objected to trump using the armed forces unconstitutionally. Not even the self proclaimed Constitutional expert Mike Lee. :shock: Could it be possible that Lee loves Trump/power more ...

None of those sneaky feminists got in this year.

I get it. the demigod status of GA's has to constantly be bolstered up.

Wow. A lot of this new to me. Is that in the Joseph Smith Papers? the McLellin papers? I had heard accounts of people being drunk on sacrement wine because they were fasting, but Samuel Smith vomiting? Suspicious.

Yes. They know the right answer, but they are uncomfortable saying it. Reminds me of people in Senate hearings.

D&C 77:6 says the Earth has existed for 7000 years. I suspect there is a divide in the church based on this revelation from JS. It is obvious from science this is not true. I think you are right. I think 10-30% of most wards know Genesis is either metaphor or BS. I’ll bet 40-60% BYU faculty also k ...

I think Mormons, especially TBM's are very susceptible to justifying censorship because they were raised in an environment where censorship was normal. "No evil speaking of the Lord's anointed" is subtle, but it is so pervasive.

It's impossible to prove a negative" is a phrase I hear tossed around in debates and epistemology from time to time. It hasn't yet been proven true. ;) Curiously Dallin Oaks and Charlie Kirk have both used variations of this phrase to defend their apologetics. Oaks said in a speech to CES people ...

Mormon leaders have traditionally taught that Adam and Noah received the same oaths and covenants we get in the temple today. Pres. Nelson re-emphasized this in the 2019 Sunday morning general conference. If Noah had those oaths and covenants, and would presumably teach them to at least some of his ...